Architectural Designs - Atheist, can you do an experiment?? It could work?

Atheist, can you do an experiment?? It could work?

Look at the First link, it is a picture of the earth, breathtaking image embedded with ocean, clouds, glory, and LIFE. http://space.about.com/od/pictures/ig/Earth-Pictures-Gallery/Full-Earth-.htm Now take a look at the second link of a house, a luxary home designed with a sense of beauty and richness. Not as amazing as the earth but still a dream home. Must have been tough to build it. http://www.minkler-house-plans.com/luxury-home-plans.html Now go back to the earth link and say to yourself " the earth is nothing more than a big bang, all by chance". Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?? Clearly the home is planned, designed etc.......so how can the earth be a big bang?? To Super Atheist: "who designed God"?? God wouldn't be a God if he needed to be designed. Ironic, isn't it?? JesusReality, I could ask you the same thing. WHy don't you ask the evolutions why you can't "evolve" to have eyes in the back??

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I love apples and oranges!
your stupidity doesn't have a limit does it?
The Earth resulted as a result of gravitational collapse and geologic forces. Show me a natural force that can build a house and you'll have a point.
Yes, it sounds ridiculous to say that the Earth is a big bang, just not for the reasons you think.
You lost all credibility in the last 9 words of your question. Here's a question for you: who designed God?
Yeah? Now go back to the earth link and say to yourself "it was all created by a bigoted old man in the sky". Do you see how ridiculous that sounds??
The argument from design has been dead for centuries.
Headdesk. Did you buy your "Top Contributor" tag? I rebut your argument with the Chewbacca Defense.
We're made to think earth is beautiful. If we thought it was ugly, we'd just destroy the planet, and that's not very good for the survival of the species, is it?
The earth was formed by the natural physical properties of the universe. That is less ridiculous then saying that a magic man did it.
No it doesn't seem ridiculous to me at all because I have a grasp of the concepts of what the big bang really was, and how life and planets came to be, since there is overwhelming evidence I can study to know these things. It's funny, you "argument from design" people always make that leap "well I'm not smart enough to understand these things, so it MUST be created" So, I counter, if something like the universe or a planet or a house has to be designed, then who designed God? Did you stfu? Thought so.
The earth was not formed at the "Big Bang".... but from the resulting elements of it.... and those elements were formed into the earth by God... who set off the Big Bang in the first place
Because it has logic and science behind it. I think it is ridiculous that people believe in god.
How ridiculous is your question?
The teleological argument you are using has flaws
The difference is that we know houses don't occur in nature. I can observe people building a house. I know of no instances in which someone has observed a planet being created by a god. The fact that a planet exists that can support life is not evidence that it was designed by an intelligence. Also, you're mis-using the term "big bang". It has nothing to do with the formation of planets. It is a theory based on the direct observation that all the galaxies in the universe appear to be moving away from a central point. The hypothesis was that at some point in the distant past, everything was compressed into that point. The prediction was that we should be able to measure the leftover radiation from the early universe, when it was dense and hot. That prediction was later confirmed when the cosmic background radiation was measured. Score one for science.
try living somewhere at the tectonic plates junction
The Earth is spherical, like any other liquid not affected by gravity, with a thin, shifting crust and an even thinner, more delicate film of life, all naturally occurring. In a world full of hunger and war, of earthquakes, hurricanes and droughts, this "house" you show is an ostentatious obscenity. All you've demonstrated is the evil that is proportionate to the ambition of human "plans".
oh wow u totally blew my mind. Ive totally rethought everything and I have come to the conclusion that THE EARTH IS NOTHING MORE THAN A BIG BANG, ALL BY CHANCE. Thats the only thing you idiots with ur miniscule brains can come up with is oh just imagine! It must be god! How does it feel to be lied to all of your life. Morons.
I looked down and saw my little toe. What a pointless feature. Bones that serve no purpose whatsoever. An extra appendage without use. My body wasted time and nutrients building a feature that don't help a bipedal animal at all. And yet, there it is...a vestigial feature from a previous era. Something that my ancestors found useful, just like the remnants of my equally-useless nicitating membranes. A house has no superfluous parts. Weight is distributed along specified walls, which are supported down to the foundation. Joists aren't placed at random, but instead put at the areas where reinforcement is most needed, such as under bath tubs. There are no floating joists that appear and disappear over houses built in areas where they aren't needed (unlike genes that neither hurt nor help us). There are no walls that stick out while being unable to serve any function. There are no stairs that lead to nowhere. There are no houses that failed to develop properly, and end up just sitting in a yard, never to be finished. A house is clearly designed. If nature has a designer, he could definitely take some advice from modern-day architects.
"Do you see how ridiculous that sounds?" What, your utterly mistaken and false analogy? Yes. Please be a troll. I really don't want to share the planet with someone who actually thinks these are good arguments.
When I see a house, I see evidence of many designers. I see separate designers for the heating, electrical, and plumbing systems, plus a designer for the foundation, frame, etc. Therefore there are many designers of the universe. You and I have just proved the Greek pantheon. *fist bump*
So what you are saying is because the earth is sooo complex that there has to be a creator? OK so if god is sooo complex then who created god? See you are trying to convince us that something like the earth or the universe needs a creators because it is so complex but yet when the idea of complexity is used to show that god needs a creator because he is complex as well. You huff and puff with anger
So, you're suggesting that a perfect being with all the knowledge in the universe created a small planet that is barely habitable by humans and that regularly and violently kills said humans in large quantities because of imperfections and poor assembly? Nice god you've got there. Don't you see how ridiculous that sounds?
Then who designed your God?
ok god desgnd it watevr. must hv been a air cooled workshop. theres no god dude ever heard of evolution? did the house take millions of years to form? did it undergo natural selection, survival of the fittest? This guy is a moron.
The Earth is a pile of rocks, water, and iron. It was organized by gravity so the rocks and water are on the surface.
Yeah....nothing supreme about a supreme being that needs 6 days to create something and then needs to rest. And could you please ask your creator why I only have 2 eyes on the front of my head? A supremely intelligent designer would have seen the sense in giving me eyes on the back of my head as well as the front so I could see danger sneaking up from behind me. And what the heck is the deal with this planet being so damn hostile to the creatures it was supposedly created for? Earthquakes, volcanoes, tornadoes, hurricanes, freezing temperatures....viruses, harmful bacteria, and plague. Your designer is a freaking moron.
Oh yeah, if goddidit, then why couldn't he design the simple Cheeto so that you wouldn't get your fingers all orange... hmmmmm? I thought so!!! Well!!!
Why, you're right! Any lunatic who would describe the gradual planetary formation over billions of years, through gravitational accretion of the solar debris disc, as a "big bang" would clearly be utterly ridiculous. Why, do you know of any ridiculously stupid person who could ever equate such a gradual natural process, well understood to science, to a sudden, unnatural event? Maybe try here: http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AjQNHI26RgpWFSSmniHNm_MazKIX;_ylv=3?qid=20100413125814AAQCkQF
The house reminds me of the one used in Bad Boys 2 when they went to Cuba to catch the drug lord. It's not even a house I would like, too big and fancy, it would take a lot of money to keep it. So, you are suggesting that some one spent the time to go and get dirt from many other planets, create a magnetic field, bring floration to the mound of dirt with plants and creatures, then put in fossils and so forth from other planets so as to fool us into though of evolution? The Earth is not a big bang, as you claim it to be, it, as with all the burning gasses ('stars') and planets, are a result of a big bang from a majorly imbalanced atom! Mind you that the Big-Bang Theory makes much more sense as it is for more logical and has supporting evidence, unlike your fail theory!
With everyone else's spot on (and HILARIOUS) answers, I needn't put forth any answer of my own. Moving on to the next question....
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Still amazed by things you don't understand, I see - if you can't comprehend it, it must be the work of God?
In the big picture, you generally have two possibilities to actually change another person's mind: (1) If you happen to think just like them, then walking them through your thinking process should bring about a similar dawning realization that your conclusion is the correct one. This is very common with young children -- not so much with more mature folks. The older a person is and the better educated and the more exposed to other (cultural, historical, philosophical, etc) points of view, the less likely just an approach will work. (2) If you don't think like them, then you must try to think like them. First step inside their mind and see how they process information. What is important to them? How do they prioritize? Second, listen to their logic. How have the come to the position that they now hold? What arguments have they already heard? Do they listen to new information or do they process everything through what they already believe? Do you really want to know what I think? I think your argument is old & silly. Irrelevant to modern thinkers who comprehend the basics of cosmology. You might as well be arguing that because the that girl over there is so beautiful she must also be smart. If your answer to that statement is "huh?," then you hold my answer to your question in your mind at this very moment. (Ps. Until you can think through the "Who designed God?" question in a manner that takes the problem seriously -- without circular reasoning, you are not going to be taken seriously by serious atheists)
We know and understand the mechanics of astrophysics required for planetary accretion and formation. God is not needed in the slightest. Besides, Super Atheist has a point and you didn't answer him. God would be infinitely more complex than the universe, yet he had no designer. That's a logical cop-out. Fail.
The uneverse is big And there was a plenty lot of time It's hard to believe that our life is a totally random occurence, but it is... I think... and if there is a god! he is TASTY!
"To Super Atheist: "who designed God"?? God wouldn't be a God if he needed to be designed. Ironic, isn't it??" Oops, you, my friend, would make the best, most clear-headed Atheist I had ever known aside from myself, if only thou wast logical! The universe doesn't need to have had an immaculately induced God to design and create it, because then it would not exist! Anyway, you have several flaws here, which makes me sad, because you are the first *nice* Evangelical Christian I've seen on here in a LONG time. The first is that your picture of Earth is kind of a sorry one. It is greyish and was taken on a stormy day. Nice house, though. The second, and most prominent, is that you suggest that an explosion led to the Earth itself. You seem to suggest that a random explosion happened, and it turned into the planet. This is a misunderstanding of both Big Bang theory and the current beliefs about the beginning of the universe by scientific persons. The Big Bang was a theoretical highly dense, extremely tense, but entirely unbound particle of everything to later become the universe; It was merely a convenient way of answering a tricky question, much as Creationism used to be before that. There was no explanation of how that particle got there, because that wasn't actually practical or important, and it wasn't, in spite of what many people say, a hard and fast theory; It was a hypothesis, just a kind of a thought or musing about what might have happened after some things had been ruled out by science. The presently popular belief has much more supporting evidence, but, due to the fact that there is no real way of observing it, we cannot make any conclusions or even real theories about the beginning of the universe, counting out the possibility of time travel at some future date (which is ironic, as time travel would do away with terms like "future date"). The present belief is that the universe appeared randomly by waves of probability spawning little somethings out of nothing, over trillions of years. The idea is that these particles, with random force fields (meaning direction, position and velocity, as well as mass), spawn at a rate of about one quark every ten years or so, and that might be optimistic, but that, time being infinite as it is, this has been happening for a long time, and that every so often random chance evens the amount of matter so that it does not become infinite by making antiparticles for a while. As it is, the Big Bang "theory" conformed to the Laws of Thermodynamics. It is notable that Laws are not like hypotheses or even theories; Laws cannot be broken, ever, under any circumstance. Some laws are simple and logical, such as n=n and a=b, b=c, ergo a=c, none of which can ever be false (misinformation, such as religion and other indefinables, must be used to break them), and some are more complicated, like gravity and Thermodynamics. Notably, the first two laws of Thermodynamics are that "Matter and energy cannot be either created or destroyed," which allows for the newer belief by accepting time as a tangible dimension (which, admittedly, is preposterous, which is why in another hundred years we'll have a new "theory," I expect), and "A closed system cannot move from a state of lesser to greater order." In other words, whereas you are correct that the Earth could not be created by an explosion, it was not. There is a sort of sub-clause in the second rule that is implied; In a closed system, for example the universe or any other system that does not interact with others, entropy, or Chaos, always escalates, but in an open system that interacts with others, eddies of order tend to form and create wonderful things like life and planets and rad houses. In smaller systems, this just means things like odd and pleasant pockets of cold water in a lake, and so forth; However, on the scale of something as massive as the universe, it means that things like planets are actually likely to form, as order is part of disorder, and things like life are not likely, but become plausible. In a planet alone, devoid of other planets or systems, except, perhaps, a star, life could never populate the entire planet; It is more likely that, if there was any life at all, it would exist for about a day in a puddle before it dried up, and would never be able to spread. However, thinking of this on universal terms, that analogy is the same, roughly, as our Earth and how long it is likely to last, as well as our complexity, to the rest of the universe. It is something that is simply bound to happen at one point or another. You're right, though. It IS beautiful.
Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense.